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    I'm going to give the questions I asked in the welcome thread their own thread, for tidiness :)

    Questions for Tammy:

    1. At what point did Roger turn evil? Was it something like Jon's birth and him being bumped down as heir, or dabbling in too much powerful sorcery - or was there even a turning point (i.e. was it a gradual thing)?

    2. Also, what is the age difference between Roger and Jon? I've always been curious :D

    3. Will Jon's other two daughters make diplomatic marriages like Kalasin, or do they have considerable more freedom in choosing who they marry?

    4. Will Thom one day inherit both Pirate's Swoop and Olau, or will Alan be left one of the two?

    5. Do Coram and Rispah have any children?

    Thanks :D

    Posted Apr 16, 2009, 02:05:50 AM

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    Interesting questions. Smile

    Though I can tell you right now, Roger was just born evil. Tongue out

    Posted Apr 16, 2009, 06:45:28 AM

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    Roger was just born evil


    You are so cruel! Let me love my villian in peace :O!!

    Posted Apr 16, 2009, 06:47:36 AM

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    All really good questions! I'm interested in hearing the answers to all of these, too.

    Posted Apr 16, 2009, 08:23:47 AM

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    And as long as we're on the Contes, I'd like to ask what the age differences are between Jon and Thayet's kids? And their exact order; I know that Roald's the oldest, Kally's second, Vania's the youngest, and Liam is older than Jasson, but I'm not sure about Liam and Lianne, or Lianne and Jasson, and we're only ever given ages for Roald and Kally.

    Posted Apr 16, 2009, 08:51:17 AM

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    Also a good question! I love hearing about the Conte kids :D

    Posted Apr 17, 2009, 02:38:22 AM

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    I'm going to give the questions I asked in the welcome thread their own thread, for tidiness :)

    Thanks, Katty!  I'm getting overwhelmed in there!Wink

    1. At what point did Roger turn evil? Was it something like Jon's birth and him being bumped down as heir, or dabbling in too much powerful sorcery - or was there even a turning point (i.e. was it a gradual thing)?

    At first he wasn't evil, or no more so than any heir who's been shoved aside.  He had 15 years to get used to the idea of being king, so he didn't take kindly to his cousin coming along.  As time passed and he saw the likelihood of another child being born to the king and queen shrinking, he realized that if he made his move, he could get his chance at a throne again.  The smart moves were to get Jonathan and the queen out of the way first.  He knew Roald well enough to believe Roald wouldn't remarry, so he could pick him off, if he had to, at his leisure.

    As for later, I don't think of him as evil so much as I think of him as apocalyptically crazy.  8 months buried alive would do that to a person, I think.  He had no guarantee that he'd be resurrected, and even when he was, he felt his people could have made it happen sooner.  He decided to punish everyone involved in his trial and death, and if the world was destroyed with them, he really didn't care.  Like I said, nuts.  He was always self-centered.  This just took it to the extreme.  He'd have to acknowledge his wants and desires were evil, and he never did.

    2. Also, what is the age difference between Roger and Jon? I've always been curious :D

    15 years.

    3.Will Jon's other two daughters make diplomatic marriages like Kalasin, or do they have considerable more freedom in choosing who they marry?

    No, they'll be making diplomatic marriages, too.  Jon and Thayet will try to see to it that the marriages are good ones--I believe Kally is looking over Carthaki candidates, while George's agents are scoping out Marenite and Gallan princes (none available in Tusaine)--but they are looking for advantage as well as compatibility.  The girls understand this, and since--unlike Kally--they have no interest in knighthood--they're fine with it.

    4.Will Thom one day inherit both Pirate's Swoop and Olau, or will Alan be left one of the two?

    Thom inheritsboth.Alan will be allowed to live there, though as a knight he'll be working for and housed by the Crown unless he's needed at home.

    5.Do Coram and Rispah have any children?

    I was afraid someone would ask me this someday!  There's Jonthair, Alinna, Thomsen, Mylec, Daran, Liam, Thayine, Rose, Elenna, and Buran--6 boys and 4 girls.  Jonthair and Thomsen are knights in service to the Crown (Thomsen in the King's Own); Alinna and Mylec are in the Queen's Riders, and I think the rest are too young to serve away from home yet (by their parents' lights), but my math sucks, so Daran may already be in the King's Own and Liam in the army.

    Posted Apr 17, 2009, 12:25:25 PM

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    Thank you so much for answering my questions! Some of them have been floating around my mind for 7 years or so :D

    At first he wasn't evil, or no more so than any heir who's been shoved aside.  He had 15 years to get used to the idea of being king, so he didn't take kindly to his cousin coming along.

    That makes a lot of sense, as does everything you said about his complete insanity afterwards. I never thought about the being-buried-alive aspect Undecided

    I was afraid someone would ask me this someday!

    Ack, I don't blame you! They sure got busy after Jon's coronation, didn't they!? That is awesome though, I love the idea of Coram and Rispah happily up noth in Trebond with a bunch of kids :D I imagine they'd have a lot to do with Myles & Eleni, and Alanna & George as well.

    Posted Apr 17, 2009, 08:21:37 PM

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    10 kids?

    Wow. I know that's not abnormal for the time period these books are based off, but... wow. Modern me says 'Poor Rispah!' Also, to have had that many, she must be at least a bit younger than Coram, since Alanna describes him as 40-ish when they first meet.

    Posted Apr 18, 2009, 01:39:04 PM

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    >>Also, to have had that many, she must be at least a bit younger than Coram, since Alanna 

    >>describes him as 40-ish when they first meet.

    My pet theory is that Alanna is terrible at guessing ages.  It explains so many of the consequences of Tammy not being a math-brain (thank goodness, or we would have boring things like new equations and no awesome books!).

    (Which book puts Coram at 40?  I can't remember for the life of me, though I know it's not A:tFA since I just finished rereading that one.)

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    It's either WWRLAM or LR. I'll check...

    Ah-hah. It's WWRLAM, the scene in Port Caynn where Coram first meets Rispah (pg. 167 in my copy.)

    "Shocked, Alanna realized they were flirting. Even more surprising was her realization that Coram was a fine figure of a man, big belly and all. He's not even very old, she remembered. He's only forty or so. Plenty of soldiers wait that long to marry, till the itch is out of their feet."

    If this isn't true, it's nice to know that Alanna fails spectacularly at math like I do. :D

    Posted Apr 18, 2009, 08:36:03 PM

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    One thing that has always bugged me about Lioness Rampant...

    What does Roger want? Really? I take from the conversations with Alex that he doesn't want to become King. And to Thom he hinted that the gods could be toppled... Does he want to destroy the gods by destroying the world? Or does he want to become a god? Does Alex know that Roger will kill them all?

    That has puzzled me ever since I was twelve and read the book for the first time. And even after many years and reading both the English book and the German translation, I still don't get it. I'm probably dense^^, but it just isn't clear to me.

    Posted Apr 21, 2009, 05:28:43 PM